maps

affinity bridge

more open data! how to make maps beautiful. (neat)

dude is reading his f’ng slides. boo. tuning out a bit. this is the part I know: what is open data, why is it awesome. localized, yay! ah, cross-mention w/ckan & datadotgc.ca project. disadvantages: privacy concerns, cost. (random thought: he looks like the kid from Arrested Development, esp with the askew tie. [updated: he was in the big dinner gang on Sunday, sat across from me. Really nice guy.])

map in 10 minutes: drinking fountains data, csv file. create content type: location, add fields: lat/long. choosing just a text field for simplicity. wouldn’t want to do with a large database, tho. set up gmap, api, bigger size, autozoom. using node import to bring in csv file. create view. interesting: using gmap view w/out using location module. 7 minutes flat. snazzy. (oh, this is the one mentioned in this morning’s presentation)

in 2 minutes: with install profile!

storage: cck, geo module, location (can be heavy), geotaxonomy – adds fields to a taxonomy term: tag content with a city and then pull lat/long from elsewhere, openlayers wkt. (“well-known text”?)

display: google maps, openlayers. (have wanted to play with openlayers. I wonder if it would be usable w/out security issue on branches page)

overlays/markers: heatmaps for non-point data?

tilesets: google, bing, mapbox, open street map. or generate your own! holy mackerel. big list. quantum gis – widely used open source mapping tool. mapnik. cascadenik a bit like css for ??? – missed something here.

ah, got distracted.

sleepy. dammit.

now I want data to play with! data.gov to try thing? (start w/http://www.data.gov/raw/1517?) github.com/tylor/quickmaps

got distracted looking at data. ๐Ÿ™‚

oh, hey: http://data.wa.gov/

geocode module for taking db of address and translating to lat/long.

shape files are input to quantum gis. hard to interact w/shape file polygons? not 100% sure I understood that. polygons are a heavy server load?

server optimization

“because I have crashed servers that weren’t optimized” indeed.

suggestion from Adam (at lunch) to look at the actual theme(s) that were used with themekey, see if those have any squirrelly sql-type stuff in them. (also, I wonder about the recent memory upgrade. maybe I should just *try* it and see what happens.)

shared hosting (ie this site), virtual private server (no personal experience), dedicated server (ie, work)

apache: RAM hog. 20mb+ usage? list of items: keepalivetimeout – time waiting to kill process. 1-3 seconds for drupal. maxclients – simultaneous connections. maxrequestsperchild – don’t want to force unnec restarts. no caching for authenticated users! big issue for an intranet. advanced caching module? static & dynamic content on different apache servers. intriguing. image sprites may be more useful than zlib. ramdisk for most commonly used files. memcached daemon. loadmodule.conf file, remove unused (apache) modules.

mysql – pick good option file. my-huge.conf. log slow queries. (set for abt 5 secs) need to fix all to get improved performanced. query caching, in config file for mysql, 124mb (?). innodb tables, supposed to be good for writing a lot.

php – php cache option, accelerators (like Zend, APC) apc apparently to become standard w/php6. 2 confi options in php.ini: max_execution_time (30 secs, but test!), memory_limit, usually turns to 124/148mb.

load testing. ab = apache benchmark. ab -n 50 -c 2 http://example.com gives a command-line report.

performance monitoring – uptime, free -m. if all memory is in swap, you don’t have enough ram.

top -d: how to see what processes are using how much.

vmstat: input/output speed.

wtf is this app, for performance monitoring? nagios? yes: http://www.nagios.org/

based on a question: nginex – for the static stuff, then apache only does the dynamic. or I think I hear someone saying they use it for the whole thing instead of apache.

what’s causing overload, apachetop or top to see what process. apachetop sounds really useful. also a mysqltop. cacti.

better to use performance-related modules or do stuff on the server? getting a balance between overcaching & undercaching. don’t want to double-compress.

reduce css calls. I’ve got to dig back into that.

gtmetrics (gpmetrics?)

far-future expiration headers. yslow was really helpful, and almost all front-end.

pressflow – install profile? fork. http://pressflow.org/

open gov data

ok, let’s see how long the battery lasts

not enough milk in my tea, and I steeped too long.

philosophy of open data.

okfn.org – open knowledge foundation.

comprehensive knowledge archive network (ckan)

microsoft open govt data initiative (ogdi), incl a tool

and…drupal!

cataloging system, open source, written in python. json-based api. ckan.net

(thinking dorothea would be all over this…or who knows: could give her own version?)

dead battery was dead. I have some paper notes, which hopefully I’ll be able to transcribe later.

paper notes:

showing ckan app, anyone can add data (oly police report, for example?)

URL munging gets JSON data.

ckan & ogdi wouldn’t play together -> drupal in the middle, using ckan api – used drupal because open source, modules, theming, also: tool they knew.

practicalweb.co.uk, made tool to connect ckan & drupal

ogdi: also repository (am kinda confused, could use a graphic)

fun w/small resolutions

I want more detail!

datadotgc.ca

ckan module, caching [I seem to remember some really interesting things in the use of caching]

datatables.net (jquery)

data isn’t in drupal db at all, except as cache. and except ministry list.

themes used instead of views. curious.

I’m still really confused.

oh, if the ckan item also exists as ogdi, then use ogdi for data.

interested data use example: stumble safely, vantrash, water (tyler sherman)

—-

follow-up thoughts: interesting stuff presented in a way that didn’t click very well for me. I think it would have benefited from fewer screenshots and more conceptual diagrams/charts.

keynote – Angela Byron

waking up, sorta.

saving just because.

wishing I’d spent some more time looking up what to do around here.

webchick! (ie, Angela Byron)

(would it be totally dorky to have her sign the book?)

community makes the project. community > technology. (which fits with one of my pet theories.) just shy of a million users on drupal.org?

OMG super qte cat figs!

Do-ocracy – illustrated with the Rosie the Riveter graphic. no one being paid to care about core, or most modules. wtf is that flow chart?

she was a serious f’ng geek – debian (?) linux on 7 floppy disks? “was that guy” re evangelizing free software, starting in 1995 – but didn’t contribute to anything until 2005.

doesn’t want that to be anybody else’s story.

1. see something & say “that’s dumb”

2. I want to see that fixed

3. can do something about it. – but NOT just code! even includes a well-written bug support. “rate of swear words per minutes” (as a usability measure?!)

don’t have to be einstein, lots of “everyone else” – wisdom of crowds.

gina the genius story. but NO. edwina the end user, filing a bug report. (well, in that case I guess I HAVE contributed) and paula the programmer, tatiana the tester, saying WTF? and iterative cycle. Wendy stuck on Windows XP. ๐Ÿ™‚ “also, mind your spelling” and so on and so forth.

what is contribution? ginormous list! (issue queue farming?)

the myth of “they” – “there is no cabal” (ala MeFi!)

pie chart that’s basically just one thing: downloaded software. 0.05% registered AND did something with their account.

“you and your fancy ways”

answer 1 support request a day. 12000+ people who can’t figure out how to install drupal!

make progress on one issue per day. (views or another module you know well) mark duplicate, answer support request, etc.

when you learn something new, document it as you go. (which sometimes I do for myself!) ah, the curse of knowledge!

“I’m going to tell that you’re using WP” (guy next to me) ๐Ÿ™‚

kitten!

secret to drupal success: being part of the 0.05%. gives others more incentive to help you, not “newb” but time management thing. learn faster, and save time/money. (more of the networking thing) get more business, attract better people. (WIIFM) keep yr finger on the pulse of drupal, and gives you stronger voice in project.

/contribute – places to jump in. but she prefers /community-initiatives. highlights things that are important.

seek out doers in the areas you’re interested in.

don’t wait for approval.

use the issue queue. (I think I’ve mentioned on twitter that I’m amused by having a bookmark labeled “my issues” – oh, hey, that feeds issue is fixed, isn’t it?)

irc. the people side of things. if it’s got to do w/actual issue, make sure it gets back in the queue!

oh, there’s another irc #drupal-pnw.

trade caring about other people’s patches. ๐Ÿ™‚

awesome asshat graphic. a lot about giving people slack and providing guidance. tells the perfectionist pete vs sloppy sam story. which tho I’ve heard it before, but it’s worth repeating to myself, as I have a tendency to go off into a corner by myself.

(saving out of nervousness)

so nobody likes cvs. migrating to git. (I’ve been trying to figure out how the hell revision control works for years now.) “jangly things” multiple copies of the repository, easier to rename files. “break things w/out actually breaking things” “I keep saying I’m going to fix forums, and it never happens” exportable configurations. “butler” refactor something (some jerk w/phone talked over part of that)

I’m pretty excited now, actually.

5 things excited about in D7: image handling in core; usability improvements; automated testing framework; cck in core – fields can be added to anything, not just nodes; under-the-hood improvements for themers (actually, that sounds DELIGHTFUL). “it’s all great!”

PNW Drupal Summit, Day 2

Theming, with John Albin Wilkins (johnalbin) from Taiwan

[still no wifi! altho at some point in here I figured out how to connect via a router from the lovely CivicActions folks.]

fun chitchat in the fiber-scifi-geek gal corner. ๐Ÿ™‚

D6 core themes: 75% themes that suck; 25% Garland – gave people a bad 1st impression
D7: Garland, Stark, Seven

Stark: nothing in it. .info, layout.css, no .tpl.php! still not done with redoing HTML markup in core. Stark allows you to see basic markup.

Seven: Mark Boulton’s admin theme, usability testing showed people when editing because they couldn’t sense the difference between content mode & editing mode. Is default for admin.

Missing piece in the pie chart…might still get some more themes into core. (paint? zen? – my musings, not what he said.)

Showing a default brand new D7 site. “Appearance” link. He added a “pacific” theme for this presentation.

Don’t have to go to separate page to set admin theme!!!!!

Primary & secondary menus renamed: main & secondary.

Looking at page.tpl.php – $main_menu & $secondary_menu – a bunch of variable renaming to make things easier to grasp. sidebar_first and sidebar_second – renamed from “left” and “right” because of RTL language issues. (and I can see where you might do a site with two sidebars both on a single “side”) shows amnesty international site, switches between English & Arabic (also french & spanish), flips the entire design. (a little dance while we’re waiting!) which makes “sidebar_right” a WTF for RTL language developers! first and second is more natural.

template.php – can’t shoot yrself in the foot. “phptemplate”? (missed a bit while switching my phone 2 vibrate)

switches to pacific theme – something about classes – a bit confused about what this change means. is using devel & template function to spit out all page info. classes_array. makes it easier to add stuff to body classes. screwiness with what’s actually showing up in the array. “what happens when you do a live presentation” shows classes being set for the particular block, again, in an array. classes_array[0] = ‘block’ etc. preprocess function, also now process functions, get run after preprocess functions. can turn array created in preprocess into string that can be printed in tpl file. “let me go clear the cache” all caches vs just theme registry? “let’s pretend that worked” o.O?

hated $submitted in D6 – string that had user’s name and date, smushed stuff inside one variable. node.tpl – $name variable, $date variable. Oh, I think I get that now. Also fixed in comments.tpl.

$contextual links – yes, it is like in the Zen D6 block editing thing – but in D7 is extended to lots of things. Can go directly to the admin for menus, for example. (yay!) (how would that look on a dropdown/suckerfish menu? create style specifically for contextual link?)

more page.tpl – mission statement completely removed both from site info and as a variable. same thing with search box variable. D6 theme had search template & checkbox in settings, but wd be greyed out if you didn’t have search enabled, instead show automatically based on template files. (help text is a block too!) I’m a hair confused, but I think that might make more sense once I get to play with it. (one of these days.) All themes need a help region.

$message (footer?) variable that was hard-coded, now custom block. (which I was doing already, I think.)
main page content. content is a region, main page content is a block. could put recent comments in the content region above the main page content, for example. (menu_block module?)

jquery ui (yay!) now included.

granular theming…render($page[‘content’]) in page.tpl instead of printing content region. means that — ah, missed it! arrays that we can modify, may take a while to figure out how to do it.

top & bottom of html no longer in page.tpl – now have html.tpl – easier to generate styles and scripts. (o look: RDFa in doctype.)

issue for allowing themes to alter page? a bit confused. may or may not happen. for little tweaks to forms. I sorta kinda understand, altho not entirely.

JS in D7

interfering with other libraries

wrap everything in:
(function($) {
…yr code…
})(jQuery);
otherwise get JS alert. NEED TO REMEMBER THIS.

drupal_add_js (actually, I’ve never used that, I don’t think) – changed a lot in D7, more parameters. also add external.

want latest jQuery, but isn’t in core! use hook_js_alter to swap out for latest.

rendering arrays, pass in attached property, this output needs this JS. so, ok, homepage has its own little thing w/slides, use attach to add just to that thing? not sure.

no standard way of adding jQuery plugins, etc. now can define a library – hook_library, so system_library includes $libraries[‘vertical-tabs’] – then need to call to actually use. can pass settings and dependencies as well. then use drupal_add_library in template functions.

AHAH forms – example? quicktabs module admin form, adding a new element to the form. holy moley, that’s a lot of code to put in the new form element, and first big chunk of code goes into ANY similar item. new code: 3 lines.

now a framework for ajax in D7. showing ajax.inc, all the form processing that was in form.inc and it just does work for you! series of php functions, sends JSON — handwave-y stuff.

examples module in D7, to show how to use new stuff. ๐Ÿ™‚

was looking at documentation – noticed mention of using class & link, attach behavior. neat! but doesn’t actually work in core as-is. ๐Ÿ™ shows her hacking. I think she just said that the link will go to a real thing if JS not avail. she added her own render_link function. has been submitted to/as RTBC?

stuff going kinda over my head. ๐Ÿ™‚ JS and my brain are not exactly friends, adding in Drupal coding…yeah. I think eventually this will make things vastly easier, but not quite yet.

she actually asked if eyes are glazing over. in my case, yes, but not everybody.

yep, jQuery UI in core. only loads when needed. super-easy to get accordion. yay! now I can do super neato stuff with annual reports!

misc code changes, both in behaviors and in naming. and a function to make sure a behavior only gets attached once.

just seems like lots easier stuff.

materials will be online, but caveat that she’s using a patched version of core in re: that one function mentioned earlier. will include link to issues related.

Q: will this enable drag & drop, infinite scrolling stuff like other sites? a lot of that in jQuery UI. Q:ร‚ย will there be standard way to include/manage libraries? if 2 modules define same plugin, if they use the same version, will only get added once. ๐Ÿ™‚ huge amount of discussion about that. Q:ร‚ย anything going to be rolled back into D6? some stuff has workarounds in D6.

Panels 3 (yes, this is the version I’m using)

would rather be sailing? srsly?

super-excited to be talking abt panels. panels.anguspratt.com

might be skipping some stuff he doesn’t quite yet grok. heh.

how much collision: always lots of ways of doing [x] in drupal. no kidding.

terminology. audience: “pane is a great name…they just spelled it wrong.”

logged in vs not logged in page. basically like Star City site.

audience advice to show the UI. yep.

can u have pane inside page w/out panel? no.

[warm in here. can haz AC?]

contexts w/features — also works w/panels? or is it using the same word for different modules.ร‚ย can’t quite grasp how context is different from relationship. info about how data elements are connected.

ashley asking for more info…context only knows about UI? another audience talking abt panels 2, use case: news section for nonprofit site, each article had taxonomy, full page view, block with “other new jersey news” not easy to do. panels & context, grab the taxonomy from the main node, then make available in another pane in that panel and use as a filter.

NO, this is NOT the same as the module context! panes know about other panes. many contexts at once in panels. (great audience input on this session!) you can write a module that creates its own context.

panel node: [what was I going to write here, anyway? probly something about exposing panels to search.]

creating context automatically = a relationship? am very very very confused. Jen just explained, and I was unfortunately looking at something else. context can take info from URL and pass in, if you need to define explicity connection between info in the panel, that becomes a relationship. (I’m wondering if there’s some significant changes in terms from P2 to P3.)

some settings warnings.

selector rules, including custom PHP. o rly? put most specific first, general later, if nothing matches, have default. different stuff at the same URL.

don’t use flexible — bogs down. good for wireframing. hrm. check out the template files, can define custom layout in custom module? panels3 has way more terminology for layouts. what’s the benefit of having made it so much more complicated? making regions more general to get away from table-concept layout. “because it was written by a developer” heh.

hm, use “variants” for panels? instead of how I actually did it. should make the layout much easier, plus remembering what should and should not be visible.

oh, can turn off Drupal blocks with a checkbox. wow, making me feel dumb.

the layout designer. lots of discussion about how stuff works.

panels or blocks? a dashboard in a panel, rest of the site uses blocks. performance hit issues? block visibility setting in theme setting? can be done, can be PITA.

“thank you for this interactive presentation” [that’s one of my favorite things about this session, lots of audience expertise/experience.]

“just the code that was importing the variants was completely wrong”

caching…which would be good for some of those relatively static bits. override settings in the node itself, etc. don’t forget that you set something in panels!

blocks show up in miscellaneous.

whew, there’s a lot going on with this!

Staging & Deployment – Greg D (heyrocker)

deployment is well understood in traditional software (website?) deployment

Drupal puts lots in the DB that you might not normally put there. Contemplate module (evil! but I like it. ๐Ÿ™ ) and PHP in blocks or content (do that a lot too) – and stuff moves both ways. testing data over here – comments over there. can’t push anything either direction! “to launch a huge bunch of changes…and you’re screwed.” I remember him first talking about this at a Seattle Times related event. not a lot of tools. ๐Ÿ™ I think it’s not just “large development shops” but people who don’t fly by the seat of their pants. Normally I wouldn’t care about just doing stuff to a site, but doesn’t work w/work site.

content and configuration have very different issues. “going to assume that everybody’s pretty nerdy” node ids not matching (primary keys), pieces of data that didn’t have any APIs. no “role_load” etc. Config has no standards for how to set from module to another or for exportability. Plus all that other stuff. Exporting blocks from dev to live. (Yep. I’ve been just recreating stuff from scratch each time, like recent addition of [????! oh, yeah,ร‚ย https://www.twinstarcu.com/repo/home – created just last week IIRC]

nice simpsons quote – cause of and solution to all life’s problems

hook_form_alter – in a module, inject terms of service into registration form, for example. oh, that’s what that’s about. 80% that drupal works is because of hook_form_alter. but…makes exporting INSANE. when node goes out, no way to make sure the module stuff comes with the node or form.

nice graphic of picard & riker.

options that suck: develop on production (this is what I meant by “seat of pants”); repeat by hand (hey, that’s what I’ve done!).

move db stuff into code. okaaaaaay. (what does that mean, exactly?)

find import/export mechanism, write update hook.

devel macro module – d5. records things that you do, saves into a file, puts into an update hook, run execute. (ok, lost something there) but doesn’t quite work in D6.

views/panels/cck export & import mechanisms.

patterns?

programmatic cck, managing views in code, a lullabot article.

if I make 15 views, have to remember to export, and make sure client doesn’t change anything. gah.
“this thing kinda makes me sick” – reserved key ids, auto-inc ids on dev at 1, on live at 1001, module to move over, and supposedly get clear set of IDs. “this is bad” and yet I find it weird & fascinating. odd and even IDs?! wtf.

database scripts module automates that process, worth looking at, keep DB dumps in version control. huh. I’ve never used version control for anything, and probably should try it. :\ not always db-portable, not community-oriented solutions.

5 species develop at the same time. (2nd time I’ve heard that analogy.)

Exportables – concept more than thing. part of CTools. talk abt bringing into core for D8. you have to write yr own import stuff. kind of a hook thing for modules, etc. “in 3 years we may have something that really works well”

Features – development seed thing. refers to Robin’s talk. ack. that kinda sorta went over my head. built on the exportables concept. curious. context and “spaces” — that last new to me.

Deploy – that he wrote. For pushing content around – foreign affairs magazine, write content on editorial server and push to live server: unwilling to accept usual drupal way. group pieces to go live together. I like that. (for promos!!!!) Services module – core API. “deployment plan” way to group together stuff to the live site. modules then integrate. Uses services to receive & manage deployed data. Implements UUIDs to alleviate primary key issues. if you add a node & choose to deploy, will also pull along nodes referenced, taxonomies, etc. Oh, like Dreamweaver FTP publish dependencies. (which I always turn off in DW, but might be useful here.)

example: content about drupal books. deploy has stuff, live is blank. “add to deployment plan” XMLRPC? works for anything in drupal that uses [setting forms?]. doesn’t work with blocks? for content type, uses cck copy, can’t push updates to existing fields. OMG. that would’ve made that foreclosed homes page EVEN EASIER to set up. pushing live. needs to be logged in with a user on the remote server that has sufficient permissions, ATM need to enter pwd every time, which is honestly ok by me. 6 things in plan, but pushing 32 items, and in an order where nothing breaks. doesn’t push permissions or roles, but does push users. “nothing up my sleeves” duuuuude.

and can deploy nodes immediately after editing on dev. some sort of counting error, tho.

image: services module has files service, works with all binary types, and works with drupal security.

directionally agnostic – q of whether can push back to dev. yep. actually got automated pulling content back into dev for foreign relations, altho couldn’t release as part of contrib module.

no rollback, that’s where to go from there.

if not using pathauto, there will be issues.

Issues: revisioning, rollback, mysqldump before pushing. can’t do unattended deployments. gaps: upload.module, translations, block, permissions.

no magic bullets – investigate, ask questions, know yr needs, PLAN. sounds a lot like my work doing import/export on the initial setup. missed what group is talking abt that stuff. [change mgmt group] lot of activity around this area, likely to be a focus for D8. bring up use cases, do testing.

how does update.php factor in? not w/Deploy, doesn’t use it at all, not pushing changes to code. update.php is mostly for code.

I’m really glad I stuck around for this one, actually. I’ve got some (admittedly vague) idea of how to handle future updates, especially in adding new features. might try it out for top-secret project I want to pull together this week.

PNW Drupal Summit, Day 1

I’m making it a weekend up here, rather than trying to go home and then come back again — staying with Kat, which is always fun — last night we went to a fab Mediterranean restaurant (Petra?) and then stayed up late talking, while her cats sniffed around my backpack, shoes, etc.

Today came up bright & clear; I’m wishing I’d stuck my sunglasses in my bag, rather than rainhat & gloves! Also wishing I had a bike that I could take on the bus, since neither the X nor the Townie will load on the front racks. ๐Ÿ™ Someday I want to get a folding bike to take on trips, because wow! standing at the bus stop, looking down Dexter, kept thinking, mmmm, that looks like a seriously fun straightaway. But I guess I can manage a couple of days of being a bus commuter again, even if the weather is good. (Tomorrow apparently is supposed to be not so much. We’ll see.)

Alas, C managed to catch a cold right before I left, and I had to leave him laying in bed looking morose & stuffed up. We both just got over colds, too, the first cold I’ve had in years, which laid me flat for the weekend of his birthday a couple of weeks back. I did make sure he wasn’t feverish before I left, so it shouldn’t be flu, just another head cold, or I wouldn’t be here…and I’m feeling pretty decent, just a tiny bit of post-nasal/sinus ick. And I’m being obsessive about drinking lots of water, using hand sanitizer, etc.

Drupal 7, ksensee

presentation is actually channeling webchick. ๐Ÿ™‚

most people have no idea what’s in D7.

D7 user experience project, bring in actual usability experts w/no D experience. don’t want to be WP, but want that “ooooh, it’s shiny!” feeling, but with the actual “good code” of drupal.

New IA, gonna hate at first, but get used to it — contexts: what are you working with. Shows 4.x IA, then 5/7 with colors showing what kinds of things are where. Content, Appearance, People, Structure, Config, Reports.
New toolbar & shortcut modules, new ia along top, NOT dropdown, a lot of people will still want Admin Menu, but this is good for content creators. Shortcuts are customized for types of users. Yaaaaaay! And editable, plus add a shortcut button.

New admin theme, have settled the debate: it’s called Seven. Dashboard with admin blocks — but no actual blocks. If you write modules: add admin block. (I don’t think my KB search module needs an admin block.)
Overlays, admin stuff opens in overlay iframe, thickbox kinda thing. “Not in your admin section tempted to do something else” — looks like overlays are for shortcuts. “needs yr help”

Edit in place — needs help w/icons. (doesn’t the Zen theme do that? can’t remember. find it distracting, honestly.)

Univ of Baltimore, usability testing, working with “smart people” “who could’ve been in this room if they’d picked drupal” but who found it WAY too hard to use. “Sort of like COBOL.” (I always compare to swiss-army-chainsaw ala the old perl saying.)

More subtle announcements.

Verticle tabs for all that extra editing stuff.

Descriptions of permissions! Huzzah!

Install profiles. Minimal takes away a bunch of stuff.

New minimum requirements: php5.2, MySQL 5

Timezones and DST — uses PHP built-in handling.

Users can cancel own accounts….took EIGHT YEARS to get in.

Internationalization…nobody here’s done it.

Imagefield/imagecache in core. Looks way nicer.

Security: bunch of stuff on slide

Lots of stuff for #smallcore, removes a bunch of stuff

And then for #largecore, oh hey, admin role! Just tested that last week. In core, as is Poormanscron.

CCK OMG! ๐Ÿ™‚ Calling it “Fields” — bunch of basic types, taxonomy is now field vs modules. Fields for users, and comments.

Update manager, altho I’d never use it at work.

Skipping all the themeing/design stuff, thing tomorrow. Taking away all the ugly-ass core themes. Many page elements are now blocks/regions. Content region is a “real region” ? Revamped template files. Stark: core markup “doesn’t suck anymore” JS improvements.

Silly Darth Vader graphic: testing. (I’ve never used automated testing. Someday this will all make sense to me. Looks cool, tho.)

Database: new layer, session this aft. Uses PDO, all kinds of fancy DB stuff. Lots of module-related stuff. (Actually I might need to go tweak my KB Search module.)

Fields: anything can be “fieldable” theoretically could store field info someplace other than SQL. Oh, that would potentially create a solution to the pulling rates from MortgageBot thing, which I had to hack into a theme file, so help me god.

Bundle = node type or user info. Instance of field on each bundle.

Field (storage in DB) -> Widget (add/edit presentation) -> Formatter (display presentation)

Files API stuff going whoosh! right over my head. (Oh, flickr module, as a total aside, shd go track that down)

Performance: it’s still a little slow. Registry is supposed to make it faster, like poor man’s opcodecache (sp?!), but it sucked in practice, hard to use, whitescreen on deleting function! couldn’t move a module, etc. Ow. Now have class registry that actually works. Register all files in .info in module.

Return a bunch of nodes etc in one DB call.

Bunch more stuff that isn’t done yet that needs help. Still slow. Big push in next few months is performance.
New hooks. Yeah, that gets into stuff I don’t do…yet. $page object. That looks as tho it could be useful. Like node? (Is it an object or an array?)

hook_page_alter — can do INSANE stuff “screw you, hippie. the page is what I say it is.” explaining use case with content in iframe, removing toolbars, etc.

Bunch more APIs. “If you don’t know what I’m talking about, it’s all good.”

Node access issues. don’t have to grant administer nodes to allow people to see nodes that others can’t!
Install profiles — in D6 way too much work. Now if you can write a module, you can create an install profile. Can specify dependencies in re: specific versions.

Whew. That was a whirlwind tour.

When will it be available? When D7 is released, D5 gets retired: always only 2 versions live.

Code thaw: fix things that have always annoyed you. Add features. Integrate useful contrib modules. “World domination!”

Code freeze: just fixing bugs. Alpha -> Beta -> RC

Step 5 =GOTO Step 1

I has a sad. waiting for modules to be ported. ๐Ÿ™

Sept 1 was supposed to be code freeze, but 10 exceptions, actual freeze was 10/15 — inbetween was called “code slush” — polish phase ends 11/15, UI cleanups, accessibility, performance, then “when it’s ready”: bug fixes & stabilization. when # of critical issues is 0. Audience Q: who decides what’s critical? Community. Anyone w/drupal.org account can change status of issues.

Do NOT start building sites on D7. But DO start converting modules! #d7cx – on release date, yr module will be updated.

Core maintainers. webchick’s note: SLACKERS. who writes code? anyone! 500 people have submitted code. you can help!

The work that gets done is the work that people do. (Sounds a lot like ENA.) Big list of how you can help. Critical = breaks your site. If it just sucks, it ain’t critical. (Hm, documentation?)

Q: form api? not a whole lot of changes. Q: anticipation of upgrading – seamless upgrades of sites? “upgrading between major version has always been worst thing about drupal, not anticipating any changes” at the moment, infinite loop if you try to upgrade! Q: is there an upgrade path from CCK to D7? CCK should (will?) be providing module for upgrading. Q: views? Underlying stuff is done for D7, she’s confident it’s going to happen quickly. Audience member adds that there’s more than one person working on it.
Slides are on webchick’s site.

Ubercart, Gregory Heller

With special guest via Skype: Ryan Szrama

“Ubercore” project has just emerged, Ryan is the lead on Ubercart, in Kentucky (?).

Just got stable release for D6. (jesus christ on a crutch. srsly?)

Since this new project JUST got announced. Hasn’t been ideal – end of 2.0 lifecycle, looked at what’s hindering: took 16 months to get port from D5 to D6: feature creep, sluggishness of some (other?) modules, not able to take in patches effectively. Rethink how they implement features in D7. Boiling down Ubercart into Ubercore (non-negotiable) and essential non-core, Ubercart as installation profile with Ubercore and other essentials. Try to get more contributors, clearer standards & roadmap. Got a project manager in SF. (Sounds like they’ve been really flying by the seat of their pants.) Have been ambiguous. d7uc.org has his posts. Has been difficult to use for non-tangible goods, because of the origins of UC. Fields in core of UC, no reason product needs to be a node. (Kinda confused) Root field entity: product. Then add attributes to it. “Hard to explain on Skype in 30 seconds” So all the neato stuff is going to be in D7. ‘kay. Not forking Drupal, just creating low-level install profile.

Qs from Greg: for current users w/pain point experiences, what’s best way to contribute w/out traveling to a physical scrum event? d7uc.org to spec out what they have now, and let people come in and say what works, what doesn’t, etc. Then a bunch of blah blah blah. Sprint planning meetings. #d7uc on IRC. Wants to get ideas for how people want to give feedback. Greg notes that user stories has been helpful in his business, suggests that for guiding UC development.

Q: 1/3 of room already using, another 1/4 planning soon. Jump in the water now or wait for D7? He’s continuing to do D6+UC2. By March 31 have ubercore 1.0 with installation profile. Still talking about whether to straightforward port ubercart to D7. Upgrade path? Painful? Fully intend to have paths. (missed something help plug in an extension cord.) “I hope it’s not going to be a pain, because I’m going to be do it” Backporting patches? Sounds like some stuff, maybe, but maybe not.

Audience Q: ecommerce big & sprawling messy but works; Ubercart seems to planned to work together, and now Ubercore. Have you talked to ecommerce people, either — oh, Amy the project mgr is here — wants to, reached out but haven’t heard back.

Audience Q: handling intangibles — specifics you can talk to? Have no idea WTF project lead is talking about, really? Not a great communicator, IMHO.

This session not really helping me a lot so far. ๐Ÿ™ (just went to ubercart site: UC2 for D6 was released on 10/21…is that lst Tuesday? and hey, conflict with Date module! Srsly? Then again, ecommerce module is only at an RC for D6.)

Audience Q: if it’s a total rearchitect, can u still backport, etc.? Only what they can, usability is the thing he keeps mentioning.

Audience Q: was about to start on new project: should I tell my client to wait until next spring? 6 months out. (that’s not end of March, according to my calcs; that’s mid/end-April.) he’d say go for it.

Audience Q: what about migrations of UC-related modules that his firm has written? what’s the main goal of new API integration? Consistency, actually adding some API stuff where there isn’t any now.
[I’m really hungry now. How can I be first in line for lunch?!]

Drupal Development Security Essentials

Initial slide image features Sean Connery in Zardoz (awesome awful movie!) in freaky red underwear/suspenders & thigh-high boots

Mentions Cracking Drupal book — I have sample chapters of that in my bag. Primary audience is for people who want to submit contrib modules. “not a guru””if I’d gotten these basics I wouldn’t have gotten in trouble”
Big herking list of Drupal Security team, who review modules.

How many have been hacked? I had a site hacked IIRC ages ago, although I think that was a problem on the server end.

Lost time/money; lawsuits; embarrassing (he just mixed up Connery w/Burt Reynolds? WTF?!) and users are slow to upgrade. (not us!) — applying for CVS account includes getting some of your module’s code scanned.

[wow this wifi is dead frigging slow. am writing in textedit instead.]

setting up a free development environment – webenabled.com, acquia application (no, I think he just doesn’t know how to spell). missed last item.

golden rule of drupal security – one thing: lots of audience suggestions, his rule: Use the APIs. if you find yourself coding directly in PHP, you’re probably missing some drupal security. takes a while to learn, but nearly all security-related functions have awesome side benefits.

quick definition of common attaxss (is that a pun?) – yes, that is a deliberate pun. XSS – malicious input of JS. Basic drupal filters! (If he wanted to be more useful in that definition, a gnarly example would be fun.) SQL injection. little bobby tables! DOS (denial of service) – ways to reduce load to make this harder. CSRF (cross site request forgeries) – his explanation is confusing.

functions: string filtering – links – access control – database – data passing.

t() (of course: Mr T.) protects against XSS. filter malicious leave delicious. ๐Ÿ™‚ string overrides module? variable replacement options, for stuff that shouldn’t be translated — like paths…would make a better example than the one he’s using. can also use to format plural strings. can use with jQuery? wrap t() around entire sentences. avoid escaping quotation marks. vague warning about variables & t(). are the <p>’s part of structure or part of the content? pass with t() if part of content.

check_plain() – just converts directly to plain text.

check_markup() – apply filters to content. can also embed blocks, views, images, etc. (is that how insert view/insert block filters work? I love those!) return value is text run thru all the filters.

filter_xss_admin() – can trust user input, lets thru all html except styles & scripts, basic basic filtering. works like check_plain(). also filter_xss() – filters more stuff.

[mmmm, someone brought in their pizza plate.]

content sanitizing when you create links: l() & URL() – filters out html, also insures that URL is pointing to the right place. audience note – can pass node reference and get actual url!

user_access – (1) use hook_perm – return array of permissions; (2) then check with user_access when stuff gets access.

[this reminds me a bit of a JS session I went to at SXSW. smart guy, but a bit too abstract]

granularity in user_access. just because u specify permissions, doesn’t mean they actually get used…unless you use user_access. and be cautious about using permissions from other modules. (I wonder if this is the thing that that makes the permissions screen so ENTIRELY FUCKING INSANE.)

db_query() – this I’ve used! filters out inaccurate/malicious stuff out of queries. allegedly makes queries cross-DB compatible, altho not so much in D6 (yay for D7!) – brackets around table names, to make sure that it works w/prefix. filter data with placeholders %s for string, %d for integers/numbers, %% for LIKE query (wildcards) — there’s usually a drupal equiv (again w/bad spelling!) to most mysql functions.

db_query_range() limits number of items returned, for big DBs can be a huge load on server.

question about whether it’s necessary when not dealing with user input? comment from audience that might be important for upgrade to D7. coder module? for flagging instances which should use db_query. “deadwood” module?

drupal_get_token() – verifies source of request – get v. post. 1) set token. happens with every form that uses Form API. 2) then verify, is token passed the same one that was created. code is really simple! uses MD5, session_id. huh. along with private key for your site. that makes a lot of sense. also works for AJAX stuff: hidden input with token, pass value in AJAX call, then check again server-side.

also to be aware of: forms API (I think he mentioned that before), forms are biggest source of malicious attacks. set permissions properly as an admin (oy, this is a PITA). don’t use User One! “up here as a reminder for me” I’ve set up a whole system for that on the work site. audience comment: if you use drush, don’t even need to use user one. (debate afterwards on correct pronounciation!) SSL certs not a cure-all, esp if not all site is SSL.

Mapping, GIS & Drupal

modules: location, location cck, geo – uses spacial database extensions!, openlayers (sorta, half-implementation)

[lost tweet: #pnwds making a total mess with pink frosted donut. yes, while wearing a black dress. ::sigh:: really can’t take me anywhere.]

for displaying: gmap, nicemap – does points pretty well, openlayers

Openlayers is going to be his focus: uses open layers js library.

[no net connection at all?!]

Geocoding, spacial tables, desktop GIS

jumping to a demo.

location is fading out of use, to replaced by location cck. (I think I had troubles with that latter.)

a view showing two polygon nodes on the same map – union bay & lake union, outlined and overlaid with shading. neat.

editing tool. polygon is a cck field. cck setting determines how many polygons per node. geo is also a cck field.

based on presets, packaged map that you define: what layers are available, beginning lat/lon & zoom. showing preset creation. includes projections, like polar, mercator, etc. whoa. gmap uses meters from 0/0, not lat/lon! can’t match. interesting options of layers, based on which projection selected.ร‚ย  satellite imagery from nasa!

WMS: feeds of maps, published by map creators, incl NASA. ๐Ÿ™‚ Q from audience: ESRI feeds? ESRI products can be published as WMS.

Then cck field can draw on top of this preset map. Two options for field types.

Stepping back… join across tables based on key, idea of spacial key: one table is polys, other is points, join where points are inside poly, etc. wkt = open standard for storing spacial data as strings. use geospatial if needing advanced stuff, openlayers wkt is more basic. (but more stable) [my own personal bike map site?!]

geomemes.com/openlayers

under the WYSIWYG map is field with coordinates.

can collect with one projection and then show with a different projection!

showing some view options “well known text” = description aka WKT, not street addresses or anything. – it would be nice to have a meaningful sample here.

Q: translate from lat/lon to WKT? Yes. (At least I think that’s what I heard him say.)

some interesting options for interactivity on maps — defined as hooks. (is this how to FINALLY get the list/popup branch list working?) declutter includes the word “automagically” in its description. has nice zoom/autocenter to features. feature styles “for advanced users only” no kidding. that looks super-mega-complicated.

[seriously, this is way cool, could be exceptionally awesome for members-only section of ENA site. which reminds me, I need to see about a BOF for civicrm – tomorrow maybe?]

Q: what runs the map? the openlayers javascript library. Q: leverage geodatabase in views? buffer, show other nodes, etc? that’s the long-term vision, but not there now. lets you store stuff, and then you have to write your own queries to display. Q: can consume KML? yes, for security, JS can only load from same domain. have to write proxy to get external KML. Q: nearby a certain point? can’t do w/WKT – unless write yr own PHP – eventual geo module & views interation. postgres (postgis) is better implementation, mysql implementation is more common, tho. and there’s yet another module that sorta kinda implements this stuff (mapping kit?), maybe too ambitious.

Q: use case: social networking site, organic groups, many actually location-based, rolled out proximity searching w/location, want to introduce neighborhoods instead of zip-based. any way to use this stuff? he thinks so… follow-up: any connection between location/location cck & geo/openlayers? is it inside this polygon? currently need to do custom coding to make that happen? can use location cck data in openlayers views. point data sources, identify fields. they want to go there, but not there yet. (bummer)

I missed a question — a partner in openlayers module, but have rolled their own.

Q: is openlayers going to go in the same direction as geo re:storage? geo is storage-oriented, openlayers is display-oriented.

Missed something else. (speak up, people!)

Somebody asked my question about list + popup. Nobody can make that happen. ๐Ÿ™ But JS library is still there and can make use of it. Something he said fired my brain about doing the view and making it link to fire the JS vs an actual link. Ugh. can’t quite get that working in my head.

Showing some code, didn’t quite work – ah, there it goes. PHP snippet loads map. Can also use Devel module for debugging, render array to screen.

OSM Cycling Map?! (is there any mapping service that provides map via SSL?)

seen a couple of Eees, and talked to a woman who absolutely loves hers. so totally going to do that.

Interesting demo of how the stuff is stored in a JS object.

Q: cross-browser? A few bugs in IE, otherwise good.ร‚ย Q: documentation on Shape files? import as nodes or table wizard route. as nodes, have to convert geometry to WTK. geo module can handle shape files directly into the db. (that makes my brain hurt. also makes me wish that city/state used open source for web.) quantum gis?ร‚ย Q: what types of bugs might one see in Geo? don’t know, but it’s still in dev…somethings with views, not complete implementation. open bugs listed.

BOF: Open Atrium/Managing News

wifi still down.

Installation. New look sites looks ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from new drupal site.

Groups…main content of the site. At the moment you have to create the users yourself. (LDAP/Active Directory/whatever integration?)

Features module, packaged up (groups of modules?) “shoutbox” is like internal twitter.
Every group can have different color & logo.

People can belong to multiple groups? [yes]

Entirely different administration screen, uses Admin module design, etc.

Project vs Cases? So this is a footprints-type thing. with notifications: what does it look like when you have 400 users? Only can notify people in the group. Hrm. Reply by email becomes comment. Yes, very much like footprints…only NOT UGLY. [strange digression from Gregory about evolution, comparing ancient primate to “two unrelated modules developing at the same time.” heh]

Calendar: how does it integrate w/content types? (my question: does it integrate at all w/outlook?)

Accept contrib modules? Yes, you can add your own – using Features? Some open atrium-specific things you need to do, but not too hard.

Can use LDAP/AD.

Asked about home page: a custom dashboard, with activity from your public groups. I don’t know if it’s too simple or too complicated.

“strongarm” steals lots of settings.

ease of theming beyond the built-in? wouldn’t do it. can hijack icons, atrium logo, but wouldn’t go beyond that, esp not until it’s a stable release.

turning over in my mind how feasible this would be. it’s prettier, but almost too much simpler?

managing news – feed aggregator with crazy features. oh, hey, I think this is EXACTLY what C has talked about before. what would you feed in? – OlyBlog, Everyday Olympia, NA sites, Olympian, TNT. YET ANOTHER REASON WHY I WANT THE CITY TO PUBLISH RSS. (is there a way to screen-scrape to RSS?) uses openlayers. oh hey there it is again. ๐Ÿ™‚ Import locations: identify places as being w/in n’hoods? apparently so. feed with place names! also uses features. install shoutbox from open atrium into managing news? ๐Ÿ™‚

Features, Robin

really pretty stuff development seed has been doing – has been wondering is it really as easy as it looked in the videos? if you want to use features, you also want contexts.ร‚ย repeatable & reusable, could put together as a product for clients. fserver is alpha, not yet on drupal.orgร‚ย why context? block configuration, active menu items, don’t have to repeat configuration.

off to the sandbox! Profiles, using Content Profile with file field, image cache.

use Context in lieu of the crazy shit I have going on with OG, Simple Access, Themekey, etc., etc.?! missed a bunch about context getting all excited about new project idea. ๐Ÿ™‚ seriously? I want to go find a spot where the wifi WORKS and try to do this project.

“i’m going to say that that is a cache issue.” ๐Ÿ™‚

create the bundle online, download, then install to modules folder.ร‚ย what IS the feature file? looks like module files, but doesn’t show up in admin/build/modules. php code with arrays/functions. export of a view, etc.

I think I’m sorta kinda getting it, although at this point I’m not sure I have need for it. Nice to know about context, tho. going to give this session 5-10 more mins, see if there’s anything else that’s going to be useful before I just take off.

create features on sandbox site, and then install onto production site. Aha! there’s a use I can get behind. is that going to be part of deployment session tomorrow?

install via features, not modules.

it’s waaaaaaay too late in the afternoon for all this naming silliness.

memescape

I missed the name of the irc node.

awesome cartoon.

benkler, layers of communication: content, code, physical.

dude’s got sniffles.

the daily meme. vs stuff that happens over time.

oh, numa numa. I missed that one entirely until I saw the Canada on Strike episode of South Park. vs Rick Astley, rickrolling “barfing into the real world”

oh heck, dylan just spilled coffee on his netbook. ๐Ÿ™

hamster dance -> LOLcats. adds community. icanhascheeseburger. ceiling cat vs basement cat, a universe emerging. LOLcat bible. can write executables in lolspeak? LOLbama. “yes we can has”

underlying patterns: daily meme, real world emergence, genres

with the internet 24/7, and more important than it used to be. growth of facebook among 25-54. 11% of people on twitter or similar. tools & communities for building memes.

the future?

flaw in layers model: people!

great news: we’re all trashed. (economy) how does recession become boom for internet culture? both supply and demand. lots of bored unemployed people with nothing to do. (hrm.) youtube traffic peaks right after lunch on the workday.

media companies turn to the internet because it’s cheap? books based on internet memes, because they’re cheap.

(I know he’s really excited about all this, but I’m finding it a little freaky/depressing.)

etsy, source of cheap stuff.

evidence?

comparison of graphs: correlation of DJIA & growth of twitter, vimeo, etsy pageviews. (I wanna see those graphs again more slowly.)

can you hack internet culture? (zombie ninja badgers!) retweeting between similar clusters. “rudimentary language for twitterbots”?! class where you get graded based on how famous you become on the internet. (I find that immensely depressing somehow.) “fame olympics”? gah.

social net neutrality. EPA for the web? (has he connected with zittrain at all?)

q: what about “forwards I get from my grandma?” universe of internet culture that belongs to people above 50. (actually, I’ve gotten a few of those happy love chain letters from folks my age. I think it’s an actual cultural difference, rather than an age difference.)

q (dylan): 3rd model of recursive memes? meme relative reliance on old media. the 4chan paradox: as it gets simpler, culture gets richer. q: age bracket, stuff from the usenet coming back to facebook (25 things), wtf is up with that? internet groundhog day syndrome. (as I think I mentioned, some of that stuff dates back to pen & paper for me.) “before the lol” cats with funny captions from back in the 70s & 80s! web caches everything. rick astley’s on tour again! roflcon is all on archive.org.

q: did you catch sterling? I heard he was angry. boomers & internet culture? internet culture comes from people who have too much time on their hands. so what happens when huge group retires? clusters of internet that are entirely their own cultures.

q: companies trying to create artificial memes, how does that affect organic meme growth? haven’t been able to achieve “that special sauce” — 4chan saying “do it for the lulz” “never going to find a community around [didn’t hear]” (maybe not: seem to remember stuff in Buying In.)

q: would rather be rickrolled rather than what it replaced! (nsfw) she accidentally created a meme, is there a pattern of what works and what doesn’t? hard question, part of what they’re trying to research.

q: trends in how memes spread (facebook vs twitter vs whatever)? back to the 4chan paradox. slimmer tools. simple memes: single-serving sites. (isthesunstillburning.com)

q: missed a bunch of stuff, people misinterpreted “meme” as “Me-Me”

q: are the internet-famous persuing it deliberately, or hitting it accidentally. “aggregate things that used to happen on the edges of the society and bring them into the center” in-jokes exploding back into the larger culture.

q: metrics & tools for studying internet memes? project at berkman called media cloud. generate associations between terms.

youth culture in nigeria not so much about drugs or whatever, but 419 scams.

wasp annual mtg

just catching the tail end. swan talking abt internationalization. “web standards cafe” (although: arg! grammar error on slide!) educate ourselves on what actual issues are in other countries!

featherstone being excited. (ran into him at bikehugger bbq in full on bike gear)

I see molly getting rowdy over in the corner.

back to the specific focused things that wasp did back in the day.

ie8 compatibility mode question, oy subtle differences.

ranty mcrant rant from dylan & molly re: netbook preloaded with ie6. gah. blah blah blah. I’m sorry, but this arguement bores me to pieces. like the sterling rant, I’m not entirely sure why I have that reaction.

kim blessing, whole industry around supporting ie6, us in this room can’t do a whole hell of a lot. (reminds me of tom yesterday talking about the “jerry mcguire moment”)

molly: the fact that ie6 exists means we have to continue to support. one friggin’ web.

bruce sterling rant

is bruce sterling wearing a white suit?!

whoa, journalism. again. throws down big stack of books. “a lot of words in a row” “a parlous state [publishing]” “sorry for the state of editors & publishers”

“web 2.0 concentration camp”?!

thought he might hurl the books at random. I could actually stand to have something to read on the plane ride home. and it would be the 2nd time, since I read one of his books coming home in 2006. kinda weird & condescending?

“god knows they were told about it” “a creature out there with dry ice & a scythe” kindle book = plugin cassette for an atari 400. releasing love letters under creative commons?! wired looks like a “boy scout fanzine” with all the ads having vanished. who is the woman he’s talking about in the wired italia?

he mocks us in the back twittering etc “the people formerly known as the audience” (but doesn’t every audience only ever hear bits & pieces.) I think he’s bringing out some booze, in memory of ye olde parties. I think the year I went first was also the first year w/out a sterling house party. also, throwing food into the audience. eating potato chips at the podium. srsly? cops showed up & shut down the last party. the upshot is a loss. days of avalon not coming back.

“as they casually datamine all your tweets” oy. aaaand now I think he’s opening a bag of milanos. yes, that’s exactly what those are. my most favorite cookies, and also they remind me of somebody….

doing one of his evocations of a harsh dark future. cellphones & dense social networks as signifier of poverty?

the dooces just wandered in, paused, whispered at each other, then wandered back out.

terrible to say, since I loved the ’06 rant, but I’m not feeling this one.

“the argentine-ization of america” is what people should be scared of.

drinking while reading off lots of possible names for the possible freaky future staring us in the face.

misc writing of hp lovecraft: bigger than collected works, “community boosting” “pillar of moral strength” within his own community. “blogger ala letre” (sp?)

busting out….

finance 2.0

woman from gartner who does social media stuff. 3 topics: innovation, competitive advantage, how will the tools change as they go mass-market.

billeo product pitch. 9000 co’s in their system. (if this is going to be mostly pitch, I’m outta here.) sounds like a clever idea.

keeping nickels, finance blog.

mint. biggest in the space.

smarty pig. (Adrienne who I met the other day was totally enthusiastic about it.) touting their high interest rate on savings: 3.25%? making goals public…which I do find fascinating. somebody in the CU space should write a plug-in (or whatever) for the major core processors/online banking systems.

innovation: mocking the bank websites. what draws consumers to these guys?

average american has 10-11 “financial relationships”? rly? know where your money goes. ah, mint guy pimping the credit card comparison aspect: get better interest rate, rewards. (I never had that much luck with that aspect.) smarty pig: when you save for a goal, you feel empowered.

why should anybody go “wow”? make it easier. mint guy is totally hogging the panel. keeping nickels blogger too quiet, billeo guy not involved at all. ๐Ÿ™ wish wesabe were here. ah, there she (nickels) goes: bank’s online banking takes time, looks intimidating. busy people who travel, expense report organizing is a PITA. billeo: mailing checks vs instant payment. comparing products.

why can’t banks grasp this? why no banker on the panel? (did anybody ask anybody?) mint: no good designer/programmer wants to work for a bank. what a jerk. smarty pig: had to partner with a bank, met with some of the big guys, CMO of maybe #5 bank on seeing storyboards etc., “love the idea, but we would chew your idea up and spit it out and you would hate it.” maybe not even implement in 2 years. (oh, they built something that is (technically) entirely independent of institution. I know they partner with a small bank. in Iowa?) environment doesn’t make it possible.

didn’t quite understand the question. billeo has way for customers to share ‘site is down’ info. “banks would not dare to do” nickels blog: friend sharing story about bank fee f-up. shopping around, diminishment of loyalty. she makes the comparison to social & weight loss.

q: aaron with intel. people are scared. how do you find information about “weathering the storm”? mint guy gives bland “3-6 months savings” answer. (I heart get rich slowly.)

q: the reality is that “america doesn’t do that” (savings), has used everything from mint to excel, nothing gets the budgeting scale that he wants. mint budgeting is monthly because most expenses are monthly. mint is organized around “problem categories”. “your solution is too complicated for most people” billeo comparison: how much do others spend in that category. #3 request at smarty pig: correlate deposits w/paychecks rather than monthly.

q: not paying attention, something about security? “banks are well-trusted but they shouldn’t be” bank employee fraud 3rd leading cause of identity theft in the country. (?! srsly?) they send out suspicious activity alerts. huh. scanned database for tiny charges and emailed members. no bank would do that. (otoh, banks/CUs get breach info directly from visa, don’t have to scan db.) smarty pig gets full fdic & bank auditing. mint guy tripping on “mission impossible” type physical security of servers.

nickel blogger makes the good analogy of mobile alerts to atm receipts.

I don’t know why I’m feeling SO snarky about this panel.

banks banks banks banks. why NO mention of credit unions? or do they just lump it in, the way “online banking” is a generic term?

(missed a big chunk)

could their products work together? mint guy prefers using credit card for bill paying. srsly?!

ack. taking off now.